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Post by tekmac on Aug 29, 2005 22:27:30 GMT -5
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Post by Argo on Aug 30, 2005 2:19:59 GMT -5
Well I guess that would work anywhere.......... So long as the parties involved agreed. No point having a union if the employers still employ non-union Instr though.
This would have to be a closed shop or very close to it.......
Argo
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Post by BubbleGuy on Sept 6, 2005 15:03:29 GMT -5
Well doing the numbers accoring to the pay scale, it seems to me that an Instructor would get $25,667.50 AUD per year which equates to $19,681.80 USD, plus benefits. My question for our Aussie friends is this a raise or the staus quo put on paper? Cheers.
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Post by viking on Sept 13, 2005 2:49:44 GMT -5
Basically the wage in Australia is very good due to min wage etc I was getting 125 AUD a day for my service.
The document is only concerning a small small part off Australia that really if you have ever been there is a law to it's self. Pretty much state government making the little town of Airly beach tow the line. In general Australia is a good place for treating staff correctly and has UNIONS!
So to be a charter boat company now in Airly you have to comply to the said document or no charter boat licence, so bloody simple a!
In fact I’m booking a flight and heading back south for the winter!
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Post by LSDeep on Sept 16, 2005 12:03:49 GMT -5
Basically the wage in Australia is very good due to min wage etc I was getting 125 AUD a day for my service. ... So to be a charter boat company now in Airly you have to comply to the said document or no charter boat licence, so bloody simple a! ... ok, regarding this whole issue. the document seems like a pretty basic outline and as discussed here before, courses cost pretty much the same worldwide. means the profits of dc's are pretty much identical worldwide. actually they should be smaller in socalled 1st world countries due to higher overheads. as so nicely said by viking, you comply or no licence, simple as that. now my question, if a cert agency takes that over in there dc member agreement - wouldnt it be as simple as that too? dont like it - dont sign it - no membership with this cert agency period. feel free to operate without affiliation and lose biz - simple as that! ;D |
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Post by viking on Sept 17, 2005 3:00:57 GMT -5
So bloody simple a Isdeep, I think this is what we maybe should start badgering Padi with.
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Post by Argo on Sept 20, 2005 1:37:02 GMT -5
What PADI needs is for it to be threatened by the government to either properly regulate the working conditions of its members or have government regulators do it for them........ I think we would see an amazing change of attitude on PADI's part.......
Argo
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Post by glenns on Sept 20, 2005 17:07:48 GMT -5
I agree about needing proper regulation for work and pay conditions. Union??? Idon't know. But do you REALLY want government involved? I DON'T !!!
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Post by LSDeep on Sept 20, 2005 17:23:50 GMT -5
nope, nobody really wants government involved i think, but it might be necessary to get some stuborn cert agencies to the point, that they will make it poss to inform all members about the plans, as they have to by law (i can see the legal haggling about it quite well). so its not really so much government i guess, but lawyers threatening to bring government in. i cant see cert agency x saying on demand of little group instr's y to say, sure guys in our next member letter/publication we will ask all of them to vote for forming some kind of union to make our live hell. they will wiggle and wind to find excuses why that doesnt apply to them like to other "normal" companies. and lets face it - the so-called self regulating seems to bring more downers for the individual members then uppers. i would say most cert agencies are more focused on the demands of their "biz" members then on the needs and demands of their individual members.
so again, government no, if not needed - but yes to a certain point if needed to get results. thats actually up to the cert agencies, how much involvement is needed!
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Post by Argo on Sept 21, 2005 2:15:00 GMT -5
I agree about needing proper regulation for work and pay conditions. Union??? Idon't know. But do you REALLY want government involved? I DON'T !!! Don't get me wrong, I also dont particularly want gov's involved if we can regulate it ourselves. Its just that at this present moment in time I am have a hard time with PADI and their stubborness in this matter only proves that they think they can do what they want and get away with it. If the certifying agencies cannot/will not regulate themselves then I guess the last step is to ask for governmental help in the matter. |
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Post by viking on Sept 22, 2005 3:19:48 GMT -5
Hold on guys this works with the "local" government in Australia to regulate but bloody hell we cant fart underwater with out a rescue diver, surface cover etc in the UK now that’s the HSE getting involved. Don’t want to get in to discussion on the HSE but as Isdeep said cant PADI put in to there centre contracts you will abide also to these laws to, because believe it or not were the “professional ASSOCIATION of diving INSTRUCTORS” they are our association so associate me properly.
This is so bloody annoying as it would take forever with government in every country and as its already been said padi will wriggle and delay as much as possible with this just look at Argo trying to post an Advert!
It possibly only has to be a new standard in the centre contracts in areas that are not playing ball.
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Post by tekmac on Sept 25, 2005 20:11:36 GMT -5
It might be an idea, to create some kind of "open letter" regarding this issue. Send it out to print and online magazines etc. That should get the attention of a broad base of dive professionals. then get them to a website (like this forum) to coordinate a huge demand to certification agencies. The other way would be to go over the cert. agencies (at least USA based) have to give you an option, to inform all members, if you package it as attempt to form a union. There was something along that lines in the labour laws.
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