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PADI
Dec 2, 2004 5:52:09 GMT -5
Post by flotsam on Dec 2, 2004 5:52:09 GMT -5
Ok...lets open a can of worms and see what happens. PADI base their business model on network marketing. They activivate sales by using providing instructors with a teaching method. They encourage instructors to do so by making them part of an umbrella organisation. They enforce their corporate philosophy by making all members adhere to a complex standards system. They have created a kind of teaching/learning franchise which in principle is great. But it doesn't work. It's next to impossible to enforce the membership activities. It is a business, not a backup organisation, is entirely Top-Down in its model. It's teaching system creates a repetitive and frankly out of date method for instructor/student learning. PADI is intensely bureaucratic, and the processing, paperwork, and management issues that they created are inefficient. There is too much emphasis on fee generation for PADI. I think that PADI needs to evolve into a support body, using a more subtle and generative approach to fund raising. It needs to put diver professionals first, and find ways to activate its needs in a 21st century way. The organisation is not listening to its membership. What do you think? Who will be brave enough to send this threads to PADI?
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PADI
Dec 2, 2004 9:18:37 GMT -5
Post by tekmac on Dec 2, 2004 9:18:37 GMT -5
Point taken and agreed.But unfortunately same is true for pretty much all the training agencies.It seems like they all forget who is making the money for them at the bottomline. So what do you suggest to do???
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PADI
Dec 2, 2004 10:39:20 GMT -5
Post by LSDeep on Dec 2, 2004 10:39:20 GMT -5
just to begin i dont take a pro or con position in this - just try to give some answers from my point of view, being an instructor for multiple agencies, that said:
Ok...lets open a can of worms and see what happens.
- yep lets do that
PADI base their business model on network marketing.
- as nearly every other cert. agency, as long as they are not a non - profit or based on a club model
They activivate sales by using providing instructors with a teaching method. They encourage instructors to do so by making them part of an umbrella organisation. They enforce their corporate philosophy by making all members adhere to a complex standards system.
- as does naui, ymca, ssi, tdi/sdi, cmas........
They have created a kind of teaching/learning franchise which in principle is great.
- ok, they where smart and market it well
But it doesn't work.
- how so? they seem to be big
It's next to impossible to enforce the membership activities.
any in particular? my main concern is that padi is fast to punish individual members but slow to do so with their business members
It is a business, not a backup organisation, is entirely Top-Down in its model.
- sure it is! its not a non - profit. i agree 110% on the backup part with you. i think padi should back up its individual members way more. thats one of the reasons we pay them for!! there should be regulations a padi divecenter has to fullfill to its employees to be a padi divecenter and vice versa. if you want to be the forefront of scubadiving they should have something in place and not duck out all the time with the excuse that would be between employer and employee!!
It's teaching system creates a repetitive and frankly out of date method for instructor/student learning.
- microteaching including all the changes over the years is not outdated in any way. unfortunately over 75% of instructors i meet are not up to date on changes or dont know how to implement them. also a lot of shops dont have the teaching materials required to teach state of the art. so if i need to get them myself too - for what the f*ck i need the shop?? and shouldnt shops be required to have the latest materials??
PADI is intensely bureaucratic, and the processing, paperwork, and management issues that they created are inefficient.
- i agree on a couple points there but have to say the same about 2 other agencies i teach for. and there is actually improvement to be seen over the years. it was a lot worse when i started teaching 15yrs ago. but as i said i agree that it could be streamlined.
There is too much emphasis on fee generation for PADI.
- its a business, as though it has an obligation to make money for the owners / shareholders. you dont work for free either
I think that PADI needs to evolve into a support body, using a more subtle and generative approach to fund raising.
- fully agreed (again not only padi) and maybe by getting enough ppl together talking and voicing their opinions in a intelligent manner, we will be part of the driving force
It needs to put diver professionals first, and find ways to activate its needs in a 21st century way.
- agreed
The organisation is not listening to its membership.
- agreed also
What do you think? Who will be brave enough to send this threads to PADI?
- i know at least one person at padi hq reading this site and i will forward it for you to make sure
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steve75
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PADI
Dec 8, 2004 7:07:34 GMT -5
Post by steve75 on Dec 8, 2004 7:07:34 GMT -5
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