Interesting question related to emergency ascent

[Sharki]

Here is the story. I talked to a working colleague of mine. He is a French CMAS ** diver and we always chat a little bit about the topic diving.
So he comes up today and tells me he was diving this weekend. He went down with a CMAS instructor (veeeeeeeery experienced diver, ), student of the instructor (they where doing the final dives of the **) and my friends buddy. The four of them dove together, the instructor conducting a course with his student and my friend + buddy for fun and some little assisting. After some problems during the descend they finally made it down to 42m, where they had to do some skills. After everything was done my friend asked how much air everyone had left. The student was down to 40bars (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), the instructor down to 60bars (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and my friend and his buddy had both around 100bars left.
Instructor started to panic, gave his student the octopus and started a quick ascent from about 30m. My friend wanted to help them but he said the instructor seemed to have everything under control until they pupped up like rockets. So he and his buddy went up in a controlled way and on the surface the divers where gone. Colleagues of them took them out of the water and gave them oxygen. Luckily both are doing fine.

So here it comes. After discussing what could have went wrong my friend started to talk about recompression under water and the rules they taught him.
If you have had a emergency ascent and pop up the surface, go back (!!!!!!) to a depth which is half of the maximum depth you where diving before (so 42m half of it is 21m). So go down to 21m, stay there for 5min, ascent to 5m and stay another 5min before going out of the water.
I'm puzzled as hell Have you ever, ever heard of this? Me never!!!!!!
So I wanted to be really sure I understood it right. My friend got this www address where it is written black in white (in French of course):

www.kerignard.com/plongee/niveau2.htm#rapide


Guys, please don't tell me this is what you are supposed to do. I have learned something complete different.

If you have missed a deco stop, go down and try to complete it IF you are able to so in less than 5min surface time (depending on the amount of air left, your mental condition, small deco time left to do and if there are no symptoms) . Otherwise stay out of the water, breath oxygen if possible and check for symptoms the next 24hrs. If symptoms occur get your ass to the next chamber as fast as possible. This is what I would do.
I have never, ever heard of this technique... And it sounds veeeeeeery stupid to me too!

But my friend thinks this is the way to do... What do YOU think?

;D don't let me down on this one... ;D

[tekmac]

there is a thread on in water recompression:

diveproinfo.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=MP&action=display&thread=1146014248

[Sharki]

Ok, let us go more in the direction what to do when you had an emergency ascent. Should you go down to 21m as they say??? Or should you stay at the surface and hope for no decompression sickness symptoms???

More or less that is the point I want to have discussed.

[Sharki]

But I like your input tekmac!! I have printed out the pages and will give them to my friend tomorrow!

[LSDeep]

as far as i am concerned i would see inwater recompression only as an emergency solution. that means i would also wait for signs of dcs. inwater recompression opens a whole new can of worms. first comes to mind exposure protection of the diver (especially in cold water - it is usually a fairly lengthy process). other concerns would be a sufficient supply of (pref.) O2 or at least high nitrox mixes, availability of a recompression table etc.
so in a case where a chamber / medical facilities are within reasonable reach i would leave my hands off it.

[LSDeep]

here is an article i found (some of it was covered in the thread steve posted above)

The Case for In-Water Recompression


Just when they told you it wasn’t safe to go back into the water…

Richard L. Pyle and David A. Youngblood



Many aspects of technical diving involve systems and procedures which have not yet been entirely validated by controlled experimentation or by extensive quantitative data. Seldom disputed, however, is the fact that many technical divers are conducting dives to depths well in excess of 130 f/40 m for bottom times which result in extensive decompression obligations, and that these more extreme dive profiles result in an increased potential for suffering from decompression illness (DCI).

Although technical diving involves sophisticated equipment and procedures designed to reduce the risk of sustaining DCI from these more extreme exposures, technical divers need to be aware of, and be prepared for, the appropriate implementation of emergency procedures in response to DCI.

The answer to the question of how best to treat an afflicted diver beyond the administration of oxygen is not universally agreed upon. Perhaps the most controversial method is that of In-Water Recompression (IWR): treating divers suffering from DCI by placing them back underwater after the onset of DCI symptoms, using the pressure exerted by water at depth as a means of recompression.

At one extreme of this controversy is conventional conviction: divers showing signs of DCI should never, under any circumstances, be placed back in the water. Most diving instruction manuals condemn IWR, and the Divers Alert Network‘s Underwater Diving Accident & Oxygen First Aid Manual states that "In-water recompression should never be attempted."

On the other hand, IWR for treatment of DCI is a reality in many fields of diving professionals. Abalone divers in Australia and diving fishermen in Hawaii have relied on IWR for the treatment of DCI on repeated occasions. Many of these individuals walking around today might be dead or confined to a wheelchair had they not re-entered the water immediately after noticing symptoms of DCI.

At the root of the controversy surrounding this topic is a clash between theory and practice.


IWR in Theory

There are many important reasons why the practice of IWR has been so adamantly discouraged. The idea of placing a person who is suffering from a potentially debilitating disorder into the harsh and uncontrollable underwater environment appears to border on lunacy, and the possibility of worsening the afflicted diver's condition is substantial.

Perhaps the most obvious concern is the risk of drowning. Depending on the severity of the DCI symptoms, the afflicted diver may not be able to keep a regulator securely in his or her mouth. Another complicating factor is that communications are extremely limited underwater. Therefore, monitoring and evaluating the condition of the afflicted diver can be very difficult.

Published methods of IWR prescribe breathing 100% oxygen at a depth of 30 f/9 m for extended periods of time. Such high oxygen partial pressures can lead to convulsions from acute oxygen toxicity, which can easily result in drowning.

The most often cited risk of attempted IWR is the danger of adding more nitrogen to already saturated tissues. Using air or enriched air nitrox (EAN) as a breathing gas during attempted IWR may lead to an increased loading of dissolved nitrogen, causing a bad situation to become worse. Furthermore, the elevated inspired partial pressure of nitrogen while breathing such mixtures at depth leads to a reduced nitrogen gradient across alveolar membranes, slowing the rate at which dissolved nitrogen is eliminated from the blood.

Hypothermia is also a major cause for concern. Successful IWR may require several hours of down-time, and even in tropical waters with full thermal diving suits, exposure to cold results in the constriction of peripheral circulatory vessels and decreased perfusion, reducing the efficiency of nitrogen elimination. Other underwater environmental factors&endash;such as strong currents or the proximity of certain kinds of marine life (such as jellyfish or sharks)&endash;can decrease the efficacy of IWR.

Another often overlooked disadvantage of immersion of a diver with neurological DCI symptoms is that the "weightless" nature of being underwater can make it difficult for the diver to assess the extent of impaired motor function, and direct contact of water on skin may affect the diver's ability to detect areas of numbness. Thus, an immersed diver may not be able to determine with certainty whether or not symptoms have disappeared, are improving, are remaining constant, or are getting worse.

In contradistinction to the above concerns, there are really only two main theoretical advantages to IWR. First and foremost, it allows for immediate recompression (reduction in size) of intravascular or other endogenous bubbles, when transport to recompression chamber facilities is delayed or when such facilities are simply unavailable. Bubbles formed as a result of DCI continue to grow for hours after their initial formation, and the risk of permanent damage to tissues increases both with bubble size and the duration of bubble-induced tissue hypoxia. If bubble size can be immediately reduced through recompression, blood circulation may be restored and permanent tissue damage may be avoided, and the time required for bubble dissolution is substantially shortened.

The second advantage applies only when 100% oxygen is breathed during IWR. The increased ambient pressure allows the victim to inspire elevated partial pressures of oxygen. This has the therapeutic effect of saturating the blood and tissues with dissolved oxygen, enhancing oxygenation of hypoxic tissues around areas of restricted blood flow.


IWR in Practice

Three different methods of IWR have been published.



The Australian Method. In this practice, surface-supplied oxygen is delivered via a full face mask to the diver at a depth of 30 f/9 m. The prescribed time a treated diver spends at 30 f/9 m varies from 30-90 minutes depending on the severity of the symptoms, and the ascent rate is set at a steady 1 meter per 12 minutes (~1 f/4 min).



The US Navy Method. This procedure is to be used when 100% oxygen rebreathers are available. It involves breathing 100% oxygen at a depth of 30 f/9 m for 60 minutes in so-called "Type I" (pain only) cases or 90 minutes in "Type II" (neurological symptoms) cases, followed by an additional 60 minutes of oxygen each at 20 f/6 m and 10 f/3 m.



The Hawaiian Method. This is a modification of the Australian Method, which incorporates a 10-minute descent while breathing air to a depth 30 f/9 m greater than the depth at which symptoms disappear, not to exceed a maximum depth of 165 f/50 m. Following this brief "air-spike," the diver then ascends at a decreasing rate of ascent back to 30 f/9 m, where 100% oxygen is breathed for a minimum of 1 hour and thereafter until either symptoms disappear, emergency transport arrives, or the oxygen supply is exhausted. This method of IWR was developed in response to the experiences of diving fishermen in Hawaii.

All three methods share the requirement of large quantities of oxygen delivered to the diver via a full face mask at 30 f/9 m for extended periods, a tender diver present to monitor the condition of the treated diver, and a heavily weighted drop-line to serve as a reference for depth. Also, some form of communication (either electronic or pencil and slate) must be maintained between the treated diver, the tending diver, and the surface support crew.

Information on at least 535 cases of attempted IWR has been reported in publications. Summary data from 527 of these cases, involving diving fisherman in Hawaii, shows that in 87.7%, there were complete resolution of symptoms. In 9.7%, the diver had improved to the point where residual symptoms were mild enough that no further treatment was sought, and symptoms disappeared entirely within a day or two. In only 2.7% of the cases did symptoms persist enough after IWR that the diver sought treatment at a recompression facility. None of the divers reported that their symptoms had worsened after IWR. It is also interesting (and somewhat disturbing) to note that none of the divers surveyed were aware of published methods of IWR (i.e., all were "winging it" - inventing the procedure for themselves as they went along), and all had used only air as a breathing gas.

At present, we are aware of about twenty additional cases of attempted IWR which have not previously been reported in literature. Of these, two resulted in the death of the attempting divers (both divers were together at the time&endash;see Case #2), and one resulted in an apparent aggravation of the conditions (i.e. turning a sore shoulder into permanent quadriplegia&endash;see Case #8). Another case, for which we do not have details, involved a diver who apparently worsened his condition with IWR, but eventually recovered after proper treatment in a recompression chamber facility. In six other cases, the condition of the diver had remained constant or improved after attempted IWR, and further treatment in a recompression chamber was sought by most of them. In all of the remaining cases, the diver was asymptomatic after IWR, they sought no further treatment, and their symptoms did not return.

Without doubt, many more attempts at IWR have occurred but have not been reported. Several professional divers have privately confided that they have used IWR to treat themselves and companions on multiple occasions, and all have reported great success in their efforts. Some continue to teach the practice to their more advanced students.


Evaluation of Case Histories

In determining the relative value of IWR as a response to DCI, it is useful to carefully examine case histories. DCI is, by nature, a very complex, dynamic, and unpredictable disorder, and evaluation of the role of IWR as a treatment in reported cases is often difficult. Assessing the success or failure of an attempt at IWR is obscured by the fact that a positive or negative change in the victim's condition may have little or nothing to do with the IWR treatment itself. Furthermore, even the determination of whether or not a DCI victim's condition was better or worse after attempted IWR is not always clear.




The Efficacy of IWR

From the cases described, it should be evident that IWR has almost certainly been of benefit to some DCI victims in certain circumstances. If the selection of cases seems biased towards "successful" attempts at IWR, it is only a reflection of the numbers of actual cases on record. Whereas only one additional attempt at IWR (besides Case #2 and #8) clearly led to deterioration of the condition of a DCI victim, there are literally hundreds of additional cases where IWR was almost certainly of (sometimes great) benefit.

Opponents to the practice of IWR are usually quick to point out that DCI symptoms are often relieved, sometimes substantially, when the victim breathes 100% oxygen at the surface (the presently accepted and recommended response to DCI). Indeed, if symptoms do resolve with surface-oxygen, and recompression treatment facilities are relatively close at hand, then the additional risks incurred with re-immersion seem unwarranted. The two deceased divers discussed in Case #2 would have, in all likelihood, survived their ordeal if oxygen was administered on the boat and transport to the nearby recompression chamber was effected. However, in cases where chamber facilities are not available, or when symptoms persist in spite of surface-oxygen (such as in Case #7 and #11), then recompression is clearly necessary, and IWR perhaps should be attempted.


Determining Circumstances Appropriate for IWR

A wide variety of variables must be taken into account in identifying those circumstances under which IWR should be implemented. Although the decision to perform IWR should be made quickly, it should not be made in haste.

DCI often carries with it a certain stigma. Under some circumstances, a diver suffering from the onset of DCI symptoms may be reluctant to reveal their condition to companions. Consequently, such an individual might attempt IWR so as to "fix" themselves without anyone else becoming aware of the problem. For obvious reasons, this alone is not a reasonable justification, and is especially dangerous because it likely results in the diver attempting IWR without the safety of an observing attendant or tender. Similarly, IWR should never be thought of as a substitute for proper treatment in a recompression chamber. IWR is not a "poor man's" treatment, and the decision to implement it should not be motivated by financial concerns. Regardless of the outcome of an IWR attempt, medical evaluation by a trained hyperbaric specialist should always be sought as soon afterward as possible.

The major factor in determining whether IWR should be implemented is the distance and time to the nearest recompression facility. In a study of more than 900 cases of DCI in US Navy divers, it was found that 91.4% of the cases treated within fifteen minutes were successful, whereas the success rate when treatment was delayed 12-24 hours was 85.7%. A similar study on DCI cases among sport divers showed similar results. Of 394 examined cases, 56% of divers with mild DCI symptoms achieved complete relief when treated within 6 hours, whereas only 30% were completely relieved when treatment was delayed 24 hours or more.

Also of significance is the mental and physical state of the diver. Certainly divers who are, for whatever reason, uncomfortable or reluctant to return to the water for IWR should not be coerced or forced to do so. The extent and severity of the DCI symptoms are also important factors. Whether or not mild DCI symptoms (i.e., pain-only) should be treated is not certain. One perspective is that such symptoms are not likely to leave the diver permanently disabled, and thus the risks associated with attempted IWR would not be worth taking (as was demonstrated in Case #8). The death of the two divers in Case #2 might have resulted from drowning due to loss of consciousness from severe neurological symptoms. However, some evidence indicates that IWR may be of value even under these circumstances. Although the divers treated in some cases (e.g. #1 and #9) might have gone unconscious underwater and drowned, the consequences of no immediate recompression may have been equally grave. Also, the diver who perished in Case #10 may have survived had he performed IWR along with his companions.

The immediacy of recompression may be particularly advantageous if DCI symptoms develop soon after surfacing from a deep dive. Under such circumstances, the condition of the DCI victim can rapidly degenerate, and permanent damage may ensue in the absence of immediate recompression. However, it is also particularly critical in these circumstances to monitor the condition of the treated diver with a tender close by.

As mentioned earlier, environmental factors might significantly influence the feasibility of IWR. Many technical dives are conducted in relatively cold water, and the risk of hypothermia and decreased nitrogen elimination rates create additional complications. However, if the divers have adequate thermal protection to conduct the initial dive, then they are likely prepared to tolerate additional in-water exposure during IWR.

Hazardous marine life are also of concern. Divers omitted required decompression in Case #4 and #6 due to the presence of large Tiger Sharks, thus leading to subsequent attempts at IWR. The risks of this threat are generally minuscule; however, these cases illustrate that such problems can occur.

In addition, the availability of large quantities of 100% oxygen and the equipment needed to deliver it safely to a diver 30 f/9 m underwater are also very important factors when considering IWR.

[LSDeep]

Methodology of IWR

Once the decision to perform IWR has been made, the next question to consider concerns methodology. The fundamental difference between the Australian Method and the Hawaiian Method is that the latter incorporates a deeper "air-spike" as an initial step in the treatment. The two methods are analogous in form, respectively, to the US Navy's "Table 6" and "Table 6A" (however, the depths at which 100% oxygen is breathed is shallower, and the durations shorter for the IWR methods than for the chamber schedules).

The primary purpose for the deeper "air-spike" of the Hawaiian Method is essentially to exert a greater pressure on the diver so that the DCI bubbles are further reduced in size. In addition to restoring circulation, the extra "overpressure" may facilitate bubble resolution. Air is used instead of oxygen because of the risk of acute CNS oxygen toxicity which results from breathing oxygen at such depths. Along with the benefits of increased bubble compression, however, come the risks of additional nitrogen absorption during this "spike."

To address the therapeutic advantages of the "spike," it is important to examine the physical effects of pressure on bubble size. Figure 1 shows the relationship between theoretical bubble size and depth of recompression. As is clear from this graph, there is a substantial "diminishing of returns" in terms of bubble size reduction as one descends deeper. The added risks of nitrogen loading and nitrogen narcosis increase with depth, further reducing the overall benefit of deeper recompression. A depth of 165 f/50 m was chosen by the USN and with the Hawaiian Method as the maximum at which benefit from recompression was significant. Descent to a depth of 30 f/9 m, the maximum depth prescribed by the Australian Method, yields a nearly 50% reduction in bubble volume, and approximately 20% decrease in bubble diameter. Descent to 165 f/50 m further reduces the bubble volume by an additional 33%, and the diameter by an additional 25%. Thus, in the case of bubble volume, more benefit results in the first 30 f/9 m of recompression than is gained in the next 135 f/41 m, whereas the reduction in bubble diameter is slightly greater during the subsequent 135 f/41 m than the initial 30 f/9 m. Whether or not bubble diameter or bubble volume is more critical to the manifestation of DCI symptoms is uncertain.

The fundamental question, in an IWR situation, is whether or not the additional recompression confers physiological advantages sufficiently in excess of the disadvantages associated with breathing air at depth. Obviously, this depends on the immediate diving history of the afflicted diver. The practice of subjecting DCI victims to a 165 f/50 m "spike" during chamber treatments has recently begun to fall out of favor among hyperbaric medical specialists. This philosophy may also be applied to IWR treatment procedures. The possibility of substituting enriched air nitrox (EAN) or high-oxygen Heliox during the "spike" must also be examined. The presence of nitrogen as a diluent in EAN allows a diver attempting IWR to recompress at a greater depth than permitted by 100% oxygen (for reasons associated with acute CNS oxygen toxicity). In at least one case (#11), EAN was used during IWR, with apparently successful results. Using Heliox for IWR is probably unfeasible unless closed-circuit rebreathers are available at the site.

There are a number of safety advantages to the Australian Method over the Hawaiian Method. Since the only breathing gas of the Australian Method is oxygen, there is no risk of additional loading of nitrogen or other inert gases. Thus, if the treatment must be terminated prematurely (e.g. in response to the onset of nightfall; see Case #10), there is no risk of aggravating the DCI symptoms. Furthermore, the Australian Method may be conducted in shallow, protected areas such as lagoons or boat harbors, where sea surface and current conditions are less likely to be adverse.

Yet, the Hawaiian Method "air spike" may confer important advantages under certain circumstances, as seen in Cases #5 and #6. Nevertheless, we are compelled to strongly discourage technical divers from incorporating an "air-spike" into IWR attempts, at least until additional verification of its efficacy can be established.

The USN Method differs from the Australian Method primarily in the recommended ascent pattern. Whereas the Australian Method advocates a slow steady (1 meter/12 min.) ascent rate, the USN Method divides the ascent into two discrete stages at 20 f/6 m and 10 f/3 m. Although at first this difference may seem trivial, it might, in fact, have important physiological ramifications. It has been commonly observed that, using the ascent rate prescribed in the Australian Method, improvements continue throughout the entire ascent. This suggests that the rate of bubble resolution exceeds the rate of bubble expansion (due to Boyle’s Law) during the ascent. Divers following the ascent pattern prescribed in the USN Method could conceivably suffer recurrence of symptoms immediately following ascent to the next shallower stage.


Hyperbaric Oxygen

All of the published IWR methods advocate breathing an oxygen partial pressure of 1.9 atm for extended periods. At such concentrations and durations, however, the risks of acute CNS oxygen toxicity are a serious consideration. Oxygen partial pressures of 1.2-1.6 atm have been suggested as the upper limit for technical diving operations. The published IWR methods have endorsed exposure to higher oxygen partial pressures because of the therapeutic advantages, and because a diver performing IWR is apt to be at rest (reducing the likelihood of an acute oxygen toxicity seizure). In at least one case (Case #5), the depth of in-water oxygen treatment was limited to a maximum of 20 f/6 m (oxygen partial pressure of 1.65 atm) in an effort to avert oxygen toxicity problems. Because the consequences of convulsions resulting from acute oxygen toxicity are particularly serious underwater, all three published methods of IWR strongly recommend that a tender diver be continuously present, and that oxygen be administered via a full face mask. Although not prescribed in any of the in-water recompression methods, most recent publications discussing the use of oxygen as a decompression gas advise that the long periods of breathing pure oxygen be "buffered" by 5-minute air breaks every 20 minutes. The risk of additional nitrogen loading from these brief periods is almost certainly more than offset by the reduced risk of acute oxygen toxicity problems.

Standard recompression chamber treatments commonly incorporate breathing 100% oxygen at a simulated depth of 60 f/18 m (2.8 atm), however this should not be attempted during IWR due to changes in human metabolism when immersed in water, and to the grave consequences of an oxygen toxicity-induced convulsion underwater.


In the Absence of Oxygen

In light of the theoretical disadvantages of attempting IWR using only air, such a practice would seem absurd. Indeed, all of the cases for which IWR left the divers in worse shape than when they began (e.g. Case #1 and #8), involved air as the only breathing mixture. Furthermore, the diver in Case #6 did not improve after air-only IWR, and may have exacerbated his condition during his failed attempts. Nevertheless, the vast majority of the reported "successful" attempts of IWR (including Case #1, #3, #4, and #9) were conducted using only air. However, none of the air-only methods are presently recognized as practical alternatives to oxygen IWR.

In one of the air-only IWR cases (#3), the afflicted diver followed the advice of his decompression computer in determining an air recompression/decompression profile, with apparent success. However, the computer was not designed for this purpose. The algorithms utilized by such devices for determining decompression profiles do not account for the complexities introduced by the presence of intravascular bubbles, which can dramatically affect decompression dynamics.

Our suggestion (and an underlying message of this article) is that technical divers, who are already familiar with the use of 100% oxygen underwater as a decompression gas, should add to their equipment inventory the necessary items (such as a full face mask and large supplies of extra oxygen) to perform proper IWR procedures. Having done this, these divers avoid facing the decision to perform the risky gamble of air IWR.


Conclusions

It should be clarified that we do not necessarily endorse IWR; however, we see an increasing need by technical divers to become aware of the information available on this topic. It is clear that many people are attempting IWR without even knowing that published procedures are available. Furthermore, most reported attempts were conducted using only air. Although the practice seems to have led to a surprising number of successful cases, the advantages of using oxygen for IWR are tremendous, and cannot be denied. Moreover, and perhaps of greatest concern, few of the individuals who successfully attempted IWR sought subsequent examination by a trained diving physician.

We feel compelled to strongly emphasize the importance of seeking a thorough medical examination by a trained hyperbaric specialist after any situation where DCI symptoms have been detected. Regardless of how successful an attempted IWR procedure may be, the affected divers should arrange for transport to the nearest recompression facility as soon as possible. The practice of IWR should never be viewed as an alternative to proper treatment in a recompression chamber. Rather, it should be viewed as a means to arrest and possibly eliminate a progressing or otherwise serious case of DCI. Without doubt, a person suffering from DCI is better-off within the warm, dry, controlled environment of a chamber, under proper medical supervision, than he or she is hanging on a rope underwater.

The issue of IWR is far from clearly resolved. It is indeed tragic when a person suffering a relatively minor ailment resulting from DCI attempts IWR incorrectly and leaves the water permanently paralyzed or dead. However, it is perhaps equally tragic when a DCI victim ends up suffering from permanent disabilities because of a long delay in transport to a recompression facility, when the damage might have been reduced or eliminated had IWR been administered in a timely manner. We believe that the time has come to address this issue seriously, openly, and with as much scrutiny as possible. Only through further controlled experimentation and careful analysis of reported IWR attempts will this controversial issue progress towards resolution.

In an effort to document larger numbers of IWR cases, we have begun to collect data on this topic and intend to establish a database of reported IWR attempts. If any readers have ever attempted IWR, or know of anyone who has, we would be greatly indebted if copies of this form could be filled out and mailed to Richard L. Pyle, Ichthyology, B.P. Bishop Museum, P.O. Box 19000-A, 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817; or sent by FAX to [phone].



A more comprehensive version of this article, containing a complete list of notes and references, is available from Richard Pyle at the above address.



Acknowledgments:

The authors are indebted to the following individuals for providing information on attempted IWR cases: Pat Bowring, Vance Burton, Rob Cason, R.W. Bill Hamilton, Edwin M. Hayashi, Randall K. Kosaki, Yancey Mebane, John E. Randall, Joel Silverstein, and David Wilder. Also, Lisa Privitera, Dave Gulko, and Debbie Gochfeld provided comments and critical review of the manuscript prior to publication.
www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/AQUAcorps/Bent/inwater/IWR.htm

[Sharki]

But what about their technique to dive down to a depth half of their max depth when experiencing a emergency ascent?? For example a dry diver pops up from 20 m because he can't manage to get rid of the air (after a 40m dive). Should he go down to 20m again for 5min and the to 5m for 5min without ever having been close to deco??

That is what bothers me. Experience a to fast ascent, so I have to dive down to half max depth to be safe again and do my 5 min go up do my 5min at 5m and then fast ascent is history. Don't have to worry anymore because I did this procedure.... Don't tell me this is a serious method of handling such a situation....

[LSDeep]

sounds not very reliable to me, its like - i missed my deco and now i just go deeper again and start up slower!

[Sharki]

Ahhhh, here we go!
I'm thinking the same and couldn't believe CMAS is teaching this. But as the link shows they do...

[tekmac]

I have to admit, I don't know enough about the medical details of this procedure, but considering that commercial divers surface and walk into the chamber for decompression, wouldn't that be simular? I surface kind of fast, realizing it and go back down to a certain depth and take a slow ascent with stops from there as a "precaution messure"? The only thing making me wonder in Sharki's scenario is: If they where making a panicking ascent with 40 and 60 bar, how do they suddenly decide it is completely save to go back to over 20m and take a slow ascent with stops on it?? Is that suddenly considered safe, because they were seeing that they can reach the surface? Another thought coming to my uneducated mind is, why would you do the seemingly lenghty skills in 42m (about 140ft) in the first place? I realize, that CMAS depth limits are deeper than most other sport diving agencies, but it doesn't make any sense to me!

[Sharki]

Ok I have to apologize for the little misunderstanding!
The pre story of the incident was only the key for the discussion with my friend where we started to argue (we still argue every day!!!!! ) about the half maximum depth...

So the discussion I'm interested in is what you think of this technique.

I think it is unlogic to go down after a pop up ascent to the half maximum depth and spend some 5min there.
As he explained me, this is not deeper than 20m, because they are "only" aloud to get down to 40m.
I agree with the idea of getting down to around 5m and stay there as long as you feel comfortable to give the body more time to get rid of the nitrogen and to add to your own safety.

He argues now with somewhat "half IWD theory", where he says when you go down to 20m you are minimizing the possible bubbles created by the pop up. Now with this 5min at 20m and another 5min at 5m you minimize the problem of the bubbles to nothing - that is his argue and what he gets taught.

In my little, none worth opinion this is non sense. This dive pattern is doing nothing good to minimize theoretical bubbles builded up by the pop up. As far as I'm informed you need way more time of recompression to get such an effect.

What is your opinion on the dive pattern the teach and the theory of minimizing the bubbles to nearly nothing?

[LSDeep]

it seems a kind of strange procedure to me - go up to fast, so the solution is to go halfway down again, stay 5min, than go to 5m for another 5min. i would not really want to be the guineapig on a serious testing procedure of this theory.

[Sharki]

ok, the newest try to explain and defend their skill:

The possibility of nitrogen bubbles UNDER SKIN can so be reduced and even equaliced... And this should be based on already well proven research.....

I asked him to get hold on the research data and he should ask his instructor, why the rest of the world (= us ;D) never heared of those research results...

[ukdiver]

Sounds like a good way to get bent!!

As already stated here, I would only use IWR as an emergency after signs of DCS were present. By emergency I mean no means of getting the diver to a recompression chamber. The only time I've heard IWR being discussed was when I was diving Cocos Island which is basically in the middle of nowhere!

The question is why did they run out of air?

As for the recompression profile sounds like a mix of Deep Stops and Half No Stop Times.....

[sharkaware]

Ok Sharki, yes french cmas is always arguing about what is correct, half way down and 5 min??

if you still are in the NDL that might work... cmas normaly don't do 40m in NDL.

If you pop up to the surface go down to 5m not deeper and stay there minimum 15 min or until you nearly run out of air but you have to do this latest 1 to 2 min after you hit the surface otherwise you risk a gasembolisam, same can hapen when you come up after a dive and just go down again to pickup the ancor!! or Skindive after a dive

Out of expirience don't argue with french cmas people they know it all

[Sharki]

I just founded tis out by myself mate!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus, stubborn and think they know it all!!!!!!

[pir8]

sharkaware said:

Ok Sharki, yes french cmas is always arguing about what is correct, half way down and 5 min??

if you still are in the NDL that might work... cmas normaly don't do 40m in NDL.

If you pop up to the surface go down to 5m not deeper and stay there minimum 15 min or until you nearly run out of air but you have to do this latest 1 to 2 min after you hit the surface otherwise you risk a gasembolisam, same can hapen when you come up after a dive and just go down again to pickup the ancor!! or Skindive after a dive

Out of expirience don't argue with french cmas people they know it all

Seems to me anytime I bounce for the anchor I do a really slow ascent with an extra healthy safety stop

[sharkaware]

pir8 might work but there are som doctors who think that do to recompressing the bubles in your bloodstreem, they can pass the lungs and could ( while you acend) form up big again but this time for example bloking Aterias in the brain, wich could be fatal.

[pir8]

We all take a chance every time we dive. No matter how simple the dive there are no guarentees. The tables are not the know all and be all has to be right. This is not to say I want to take unnecessary risks. Thats why when I do bounce I at least do do the slow ascents with extra long safety stops.