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Post by david on Jul 21, 2005 5:48:00 GMT -5
 Hi everybody ! Take carres if you want to criticize PADI it s prohibited !! I make a topic on the Padi web site just for saying that many diving club are bad with us and Padi does nothing to protect us and i recived this morning a mail from Padi Europe to tell me that s it not professional to do that and blablabla .... Like all the time the victim has to shut up .it s incredible !! this a copy of this mail : Dear David At the Employment Board of the PADI Homepage we found the attached file. According to our host it was posted by you and we wonder how this comes. You will understand that we are not interested in instructors showing such mental attitude against the assossiation. However, to avoid errors, we kindly ask you to send us a statement in written form. Please write us within two (2) weeks which experience you made and what exactly was the reason for you to post this text on the internet. We remind you that all QA investigation communications must be in written form (E-Mail, letter, fax). We thank you for your cooperation and stay at your disposal for any further questions. Best regards I m sure that they will say that it s not their responsability and blablabla. But what can i do ???what can we do as instructors to protect us ?? I will tell what hapen to me . But believe me i m really tired of this. david
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Post by Sharki on Jul 21, 2005 14:41:41 GMT -5
Hi David!! Sorry to here this. Sometimes I'm ashamed of being a PADI member. But guys like you and the rest of us are here to wake them up! Be honest and tell them your story and keep us informed! If there are any problems PADI might get some more letters from other instructors...  |
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Post by Argo on Jul 22, 2005 3:07:10 GMT -5
Same goes for me David. If you need any help let me know. Argo |
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Post by david on Jul 22, 2005 4:16:47 GMT -5
Hi So i have news !! This is the response of Padi Europe : Rebonjour Je vous remercie de votre response rapide et détaillé. Nous regrettons que vous avez fait des expériences tellement mauvaises. Il nous semble aussi dommage, quand on nous ne fait pas part des états dans quelques centres. Il y a des instructeurs, qui nous demandent de l'aide et nous pouvons tout a fait faire quelque chose pour eux, mais il faut nous informer directement, ne pas dans le Employment Board. Et ne pas dans un ton tellement aggressiv et même publique. Je vous fait remarquer que le renouvellement n'es pas uniquement une carte plastique, mais aussi l'accès aux instrument et produits de marketing, des nouvelles, des offres spéciaux et au service membres, qui est là pour aider aux instructeurs qui sont en embarras. Moi j'ai travaillé plusieurs ans au Maldives et aux Iles Canaries, quelque fois comme employé, autrefois indépendant. Je n'ai eu jamais des problèmes et j'ai gagné assez de l'argent pour vivre agréable. Ca seulement pour vous responser à votre question selon ma opinion. Finalement, votre courrier est assez claire, il ne vous faut pas l'écrire au papier de nouveau. Notre département se réfléchit common on va continuer. Il nous semble que votre attitude face à l'association ainsi que la manière de solutionner les problèmes que vous avez eu travaillant comme instructeur, ne corresponde pas à l'imagination de PADI. Nous vous contactons le plus vite que possible et restons entre-temps à votre disposition pour vos questions. Meilleurs salutations i make the traduction for the people who don t understand french : Hi thanks for your quick and details answer.We regrets that you had bad experiences.But it s sad when instructors don t tell us when there is something wrong in the dives shops.There is some instructors who ask for an help and we can do something for thembut you have to inform us directly and not on the employment board and not like this and not in public . I want to say to you too that reniewing is not only a plastic card but it give you an acces to instruments and marketing products, news and special offers and member service who are here for instructors in trouble. I worked in Maldives and in Cannarian as employee as a free lancer.I never had problems and i won enough money to have a good life.I said it only to give you my opinion. Finaly your answer is clear and you don t need to apply with a paper mail.Our departement think about how we can continue .It seems that your attitude with the association and your way to soluce the problems you have as an instructor don t work with the Padi views. We contacting you as quick as possible blablabla I gave yesterday an answer to this mail , for me it s crazy to be punished only because i speak about my point of view and only that. Viva democratie in PADI !! In fact we are not free in this organisation;we are here only to make money and shut up, it s crazy and i really don t like this, i like when i m free to say what i want any all time !! My post was not so hard with Padi i just tried to a point of view of some instructors , only that and directly with them : punishment ! So guys thank you for your support  i tell you what happen next . Friendly bubbles David ;D |
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Post by Argo on Jul 22, 2005 4:21:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the part about, dont publish on the board and not in public.......... hmmmm wonder why not? Perhaps that golden image of PADI will get tarnished? Also if its not done in public they have a better chance to "sweep it under the carpet!"............. Bunch of BS if you ask me.........
Argo
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Post by david on Jul 27, 2005 5:57:26 GMT -5
yo Finally i will be punish for my opinion of the PADI association . I said what i think directly to PADI Europe , eye to eye , not on the Padi Web Site , by private mail , and they can't accept my views again..... it is really not democratic because if you don t speak like them they don t like it if you are yourself they don t like it. My error is to give my opinion .  As instructor i thought that i can expect an help from them in case of problem or at least some comprehension , even some weeks later (my last employment was a disaster with SKUALO in spain). Finally they just have seen my words on the web site and not what hapened to me before. I think that as instructors we can expect for more , specialy for employment and security controls when they ear from professionals that something is going wrong in some places. But in a way i m realistic i just have to go back with my old diving federation , it s not so bright but it s serious. I m definitly disgusting by this kind of methods i read some beautiful things in the instructor manual but the reality is other. They talk to me about ethic , but were is the ethic of some 5 stars owners when they treat PADI Instructors and DM like sh*t ?? When they don t respect any standards and when Padi let it go ? So the questions of ethic are just for us ?? Hahaha that s fun !! Bye David Dive CMAS it s more secure and more serious  |
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Post by LSDeep on Jul 27, 2005 8:09:22 GMT -5
hi david,
i wouldnt waste my time argueing with padi europe. after all they are a franchise of padi americas. its like talking to the salesguy, when you should speak with the manager.
i would go with the whole story to padi americas and not some little guy along the line there, but the top!
anyway, i cant tell you what to do. but here you have the email addresses of the people you should send the whole case to (first one as main receiver, with cc to the others)
Drew Richardson, President PADI: drewr@padi.com
Brad Smith, Director, Training and Quality Management: brads@padi.com
Bill Hamm, Director, IRRA: billh@padi.com
Ted Moreta, Director, International Business: tedm@padi.com
Al Hornsby, Vice President, Legal Affairs Worldwide: alh@padi.com
well good luck. keep us posted
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Post by Sharki on Jul 27, 2005 11:54:56 GMT -5
Hi Deavid!
Sound like they got serious with you... What the hell are they doing? Do they want to make an example??? If so this is just sick.
When PADI america has the same opinion about your case, inform us and we will write some letters. As swiss I have met a lot of those PADI guys and know some personal. I'm curious what they will tell me...
Good luck!!!!!!! And as we swiss like to say: lo de chopf nid hänge!!!
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Post by rod on Jul 28, 2005 6:12:11 GMT -5
And as we swiss like to say: lo de chopf nid hänge!!! I give up what does that mean? |
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Post by david on Jul 28, 2005 13:09:30 GMT -5
hi guy's Thanks a lot for your support. I m waiting now for PADI America. I 'll give you some news as soon as possible (depens of them ) Ciao David
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Post by Argo on Jul 30, 2005 1:00:55 GMT -5
And as we swiss like to say: lo de chopf nid hänge!!! I give up what does that mean? It means "Don't let your head hang" and No Im not Swiss!! |
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Post by Sharki on Jul 30, 2005 7:58:25 GMT -5
He Argo, I'm pretty impressed!!! What was/is her name?  ? Here is another swiss-riddle for you! Heb e hiube! (dialect from Bern - capitol city of Switzerland)[glow=red,2,300][/glow] To David: hope PADI America is going to handle this a little different. I'm waiting for the story!!! |
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Post by LSDeep on Jul 31, 2005 20:42:04 GMT -5
just stayed out of that, unfair advantage as a german!!! but i have to admit, i have no clue what the new one means! |
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Post by david on Aug 20, 2005 12:21:20 GMT -5
Waiting ..... waiting..... no news But if you need me Sven don t worry i m here to support you also . Friendly bubbles david |
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Post by Argo on Aug 21, 2005 14:17:34 GMT -5
He Argo, I'm pretty impressed!!! What was/is her name? ? Here is another swiss-riddle for you! Heb e hiube! (dialect from Bern - capitol city of Switzerland)[glow=red,2,300][/glow] To David: hope PADI America is going to handle this a little different. I'm waiting for the story!!! Well I guess it would be something like, "Have a good one" or am I wrong? |
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Post by Sharki on Aug 21, 2005 14:32:33 GMT -5
Now I am realy impressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Argo tell us her name, or are you a hidden Swiss guy? |
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Post by Argo on Aug 21, 2005 15:06:46 GMT -5
Now I am realy impressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Argo tell us her name, or are you a hidden Swiss guy? Oh you mean tell you my name? Well if you insist ........ No man Im not Swiss or German Im Irish..... you can PM me or MSN or AIM me its all in my profile..... Gruzzi Woil |
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